Most Popular
1. It’s a New Macro, the Gold Market Knows It, But Dead Men Walking Do Not (yet)- Gary_Tanashian
2.Stock Market Presidential Election Cycle Seasonal Trend Analysis - Nadeem_Walayat
3. Bitcoin S&P Pattern - Nadeem_Walayat
4.Nvidia Blow Off Top - Flying High like the Phoenix too Close to the Sun - Nadeem_Walayat
4.U.S. financial market’s “Weimar phase” impact to your fiat and digital assets - Raymond_Matison
5. How to Profit from the Global Warming ClImate Change Mega Death Trend - Part1 - Nadeem_Walayat
7.Bitcoin Gravy Train Trend Forecast 2024 - - Nadeem_Walayat
8.The Bond Trade and Interest Rates - Nadeem_Walayat
9.It’s Easy to Scream Stocks Bubble! - Stephen_McBride
10.Fed’s Next Intertest Rate Move might not align with popular consensus - Richard_Mills
Last 7 days
Stocks, Bitcoin and Crypto Markets Breaking Bad on Donald Trump Pump - 21st Nov 24
Gold Price To Re-Test $2,700 - 21st Nov 24
Stock Market Sentiment Speaks: This Is My Strong Warning To You - 21st Nov 24
Financial Crisis 2025 - This is Going to Shock People! - 21st Nov 24
Dubai Deluge - AI Tech Stocks Earnings Correction Opportunities - 18th Nov 24
Why President Trump Has NO Real Power - Deep State Military Industrial Complex - 8th Nov 24
Social Grant Increases and Serge Belamant Amid South Africa's New Political Landscape - 8th Nov 24
Is Forex Worth It? - 8th Nov 24
Nvidia Numero Uno in Count Down to President Donald Pump Election Victory - 5th Nov 24
Trump or Harris - Who Wins US Presidential Election 2024 Forecast Prediction - 5th Nov 24
Stock Market Brief in Count Down to US Election Result 2024 - 3rd Nov 24
Gold Stocks’ Winter Rally 2024 - 3rd Nov 24
Why Countdown to U.S. Recession is Underway - 3rd Nov 24
Stock Market Trend Forecast to Jan 2025 - 2nd Nov 24
President Donald PUMP Forecast to Win US Presidential Election 2024 - 1st Nov 24
At These Levels, Buying Silver Is Like Getting It At $5 In 2003 - 28th Oct 24
Nvidia Numero Uno Selling Shovels in the AI Gold Rush - 28th Oct 24
The Future of Online Casinos - 28th Oct 24
Panic in the Air As Stock Market Correction Delivers Deep Opps in AI Tech Stocks - 27th Oct 24
Stocks, Bitcoin, Crypto's Counting Down to President Donald Pump! - 27th Oct 24
UK Budget 2024 - What to do Before 30th Oct - Pensions and ISA's - 27th Oct 24
7 Days of Crypto Opportunities Starts NOW - 27th Oct 24
The Power Law in Venture Capital: How Visionary Investors Like Yuri Milner Have Shaped the Future - 27th Oct 24
This Points To Significantly Higher Silver Prices - 27th Oct 24

Market Oracle FREE Newsletter

How to Protect your Wealth by Investing in AI Tech Stocks

Downward Economic Spiral Driving Consumption Down

Economics / Recession 2008 - 2010 Jan 16, 2009 - 10:07 AM GMT

By: Oxbury_Research

Economics

Best Financial Markets Analysis ArticleDon't Forget the Economics - Jan. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Apple Inc. Chief Executive Officer Steve Jobs, who said this month that he is being treated for a nutritional ailment, will take a medical leave of absence through the end of June. The shares fell 10 percent.

Although I wish the best for Steve Jobs, I care very little about this whole Apple story. The reason I bring it up is due wholly to CNBC. They've covered this story, along with the Madoff, for a large portion of the day.


But the reason I wanted to talk about Apple today actually has to do with some of the coverage on the story. A number of analysts, financial reporters, and traders were interviewed on the topic. Most of it was your typical uninspiring garbage, but the interview would usually end with the question of whether or not Apple is a buy at current price.

There were all sorts of funny answers from the Goof Troop, but what stood out were the ones claiming Apple as a buy citing that Apple is trading at an attractive multiple. There were many who made this claim and used it along side Apple's solid product base as their reasoning.

I tell you what. It's all completely irrelevant. Current earnings estimates and multiples based off these estimates are just ridiculous. Apple is just one of many stories that relates to the bigger economic picture here.

Economic Spiral Driving Consumption Down

The problem is that people don't understand the ripple effects of what's going on. Let me put it very simply for you.

Over the past decade or so, the growth in housing prices as a result of Keynesian stimulus (negative real interest rates, monetary inflation, and fiscal expenditures) created this massive pool of artificial wealth held by the consumers. Both domestic and foreign manufacturing and service bases grew proportionally to accommodate.

When the worm turned and housing prices began to retract, the pool of wealth began to contract as well. That was the first ripple. Now the manufacturing and service jobs that were being supported by the artificial wealth are gone in the first waves of job cuts. Now the pool is even smaller. It is easy to see how this snowballs until the excess liquidity is been extracted.

Put it this way, in 2008 the U.S. lost 1.9 million jobs. I fully expect that the U.S. will lose another 2 million jobs by May. The Case-Schiller Index showed home prices declined 18% in 08. I look for a repeat of that in 09.

After the excess pile of wealth is completely gone, and were almost there, the cuts consumers have to make won't end, and they will only get more painful. Many consumers have eliminated the first round of excess expenditures, big ticket items. Boats and cars are the first expenditures slashed. Then consumers will stop buying other leisurely items such as computers and iPods. After that consumers will really start to identify between the "really want" goods and the "really need" goods.

Analysts don't get the severity of what's going on. The above mentioned scenario is NOT priced in to earnings expectations for companies like Apple. The ripple effects don't stop there.

Ripples into Commercial Real Estate

I talked a couple of months back and periodically after that about the coming turmoil in commercial real estate. Well, the above mentioned reasoning are the fundamentals behind this trend.

You just have to look at it from a slightly different perspective. I spoke of the growth in the manufacturing and service bases that took place to accommodate the artificial pile of wealth consumers held. Commercial real estate was required in order to support that.

Now that there's less demand for these goods and services, there is less demand for the commercial real estate. Like everyone else, commercial real estate developers did not see this down turn coming and commercial real estate was greatly over built. Have a look at this chart.

Many of these developers are having trouble moving units, experiencing cancelations of expected clients, or are have current clients back out of their leases. Declines in personal income, housing, and employment are only going to increase and we can look to the commercial real estate market to represent this. This market has started to roll over, but we are still in the very early stages. Look for turmoil to show up in the commercial real estate asset backed paper markets.

By Nicholas Jones
Analyst, Oxbury Research

Nick has spent several years researching and preparing for the ripsaws in today's commodities markets.  Through independent research on commodities markets and free-market macroeconomics, he brings a worldy understanding to all who participate in this particular financial climate.

Oxbury Research originally formed as an underground investment club, Oxbury Publishing is comprised of a wide variety of Wall Street professionals - from equity analysts to futures floor traders – all independent thinkers and all capital market veterans.

© 2009 Copyright Nicholas Jones / Oxbury Research - All Rights Reserved
Disclaimer: The above is a matter of opinion provided for general information purposes only and is not intended as investment advice. Information and analysis above are derived from sources and utilising methods believed to be reliable, but we cannot accept responsibility for any losses you may incur as a result of this analysis. Individuals should consult with their personal financial advisors.

Oxbury Research Archive

© 2005-2022 http://www.MarketOracle.co.uk - The Market Oracle is a FREE Daily Financial Markets Analysis & Forecasting online publication.


Comments

anne
16 Jan 09, 19:24
Downward Economic Spiral Driving Consumption Down

Absolutely agree. And I don't even own stocks! But I am the quintessential consumer. Well actually a consumer of food. I don't need or want any more crap. I have too much crap now. Luckily I use cash .. so I don't have debt either (only rent and utilities). There are far too many shops and companies selling what I call "useless crap". As far as I am concerned you can package shite and still sell it though. Some nut will buy it.


Nadeem_Walayat
17 Jan 09, 00:05
Packaged Shite

Yes, and the greatest packages of shite are called CDO's collaterised debt obligations.


Starteshooter
17 Jan 09, 03:44
Downward Economic Spiral

we still don't fully perceive the implications of what has happened I think. Its transformational and signals a total retrenchment of Western economies.

The size of state must shrink as our economies shrink.A lot of the services our beloved politicians currently promise will no longer be deliverable. Thats a damn fact..its only logical..and we all better get used to the idea of permanaently reduced living standards for a very considerable time to come.


bonkfire
17 Jan 09, 10:38
Downward Economic Spiral

Government has already added it all up, and it equals World War III. Just imagine how similar this is to the "Great Depression" of the '30's. War brought us out of that one, so now we will need a larger war (not this so-called "War On Terror") to bring us out of this one. Oh, and that Social Security retirement will be moved to 75 years old.


Post Comment

Only logged in users are allowed to post comments. Register/ Log in