Most Popular
1. It’s a New Macro, the Gold Market Knows It, But Dead Men Walking Do Not (yet)- Gary_Tanashian
2.Stock Market Presidential Election Cycle Seasonal Trend Analysis - Nadeem_Walayat
3. Bitcoin S&P Pattern - Nadeem_Walayat
4.Nvidia Blow Off Top - Flying High like the Phoenix too Close to the Sun - Nadeem_Walayat
4.U.S. financial market’s “Weimar phase” impact to your fiat and digital assets - Raymond_Matison
5. How to Profit from the Global Warming ClImate Change Mega Death Trend - Part1 - Nadeem_Walayat
7.Bitcoin Gravy Train Trend Forecast 2024 - - Nadeem_Walayat
8.The Bond Trade and Interest Rates - Nadeem_Walayat
9.It’s Easy to Scream Stocks Bubble! - Stephen_McBride
10.Fed’s Next Intertest Rate Move might not align with popular consensus - Richard_Mills
Last 7 days
All Measures to Combat Global Warming Are Smoke and Mirrors! - 18th Apr 24
Cisco Then vs. Nvidia Now - 18th Apr 24
Is the Biden Administration Trying To Destroy the Dollar? - 18th Apr 24
S&P Stock Market Trend Forecast to Dec 2024 - 16th Apr 24
No Deposit Bonuses: Boost Your Finances - 16th Apr 24
Global Warming ClImate Change Mega Death Trend - 8th Apr 24
Gold Is Rallying Again, But Silver Could Get REALLY Interesting - 8th Apr 24
Media Elite Belittle Inflation Struggles of Ordinary Americans - 8th Apr 24
Profit from the Roaring AI 2020's Tech Stocks Economic Boom - 8th Apr 24
Stock Market Election Year Five Nights at Freddy's - 7th Apr 24
It’s a New Macro, the Gold Market Knows It, But Dead Men Walking Do Not (yet)- 7th Apr 24
AI Revolution and NVDA: Why Tough Going May Be Ahead - 7th Apr 24
Hidden cost of US homeownership just saw its biggest spike in 5 years - 7th Apr 24
What Happens To Gold Price If The Fed Doesn’t Cut Rates? - 7th Apr 24
The Fed is becoming increasingly divided on interest rates - 7th Apr 24
The Evils of Paper Money Have no End - 7th Apr 24
Stock Market Presidential Election Cycle Seasonal Trend Analysis - 3rd Apr 24
Stock Market Presidential Election Cycle Seasonal Trend - 2nd Apr 24
Dow Stock Market Annual Percent Change Analysis 2024 - 2nd Apr 24
Bitcoin S&P Pattern - 31st Mar 24
S&P Stock Market Correlating Seasonal Swings - 31st Mar 24
S&P SEASONAL ANALYSIS - 31st Mar 24
Here's a Dirty Little Secret: Federal Reserve Monetary Policy Is Still Loose - 31st Mar 24
Tandem Chairman Paul Pester on Fintech, AI, and the Future of Banking in the UK - 31st Mar 24
Stock Market Volatility (VIX) - 25th Mar 24
Stock Market Investor Sentiment - 25th Mar 24
The Federal Reserve Didn't Do Anything But It Had Plenty to Say - 25th Mar 24

Market Oracle FREE Newsletter

How to Protect your Wealth by Investing in AI Tech Stocks

US Treasury Yield BubbleomiX Forecast: 10 Year Bonds Still Targeting 3%

Interest-Rates / US Bonds Mar 18, 2011 - 07:55 AM GMT

By: Andrew_Butter

Interest-Rates

Best Financial Markets Analysis ArticleThree months ago I wrote a piece saying that the 10-Year was heading for 3% by 20th February. http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article25128.html

 I got a note from someone who is right more often than me saying he had it pegged at 3.8% . I’ll call that a draw although I noticed I made a mistake on the timing, what I really meant was April 20th; I’ll put that down to dyslexia.


The logic there was starting in August the market started to front-run the Fed creating a mini-bubble (the price of a bond is the reciprocal of the yield), then there was a mini-bust. If the Immutable Laws of BubbleomiX apply, then the “fundamental” in such circumstances is the square-root of the peak multiplied by the trough, which gets you to about 3%, Q.E.D.

 I must say I was pretty surprised to hear that PIMCO had dumped all their Treasuries in January and February, by my reckoning they timed the bottom of the market almost to perfection, George Brown would have been proud.

There are a number of wonderful economic theories for what drives the price of US Treasuries which I suspect have their roots in the wonderful valuations that were assigned to all those Toxic Assets that in the event, sadly didn’t quite obey what passes for the Immutable Laws of  Economics.

Apparently, according to those laws what drives the price (yield) is “expectations” of inflation and/or nominal GDP growth. As with most wonderful laws of economics, that’s wonderful, except for one small detail, they don’t work.

Leaving aside the fact that the economists can’t agree how to measure inflation, try plotting twenty or thirty years  “forward” CPI or Nominal GDP (i.e. what actually happened) against US Treasury yields (on the assumption that “expectations” can predict the future – which is a pretty silly assumption if you are talking economics), and you get a pretty lousy correlation. But of course economists don’t care about lousy correlations, when reality contradicts their pre-conceived ideas.

You get a better correlation if you plot the trailing average, this is a four-year-trailing average of Nominal GDP growth, plotted against yield going back to 1980:

That analysis says that Nominal GDP in the past explains 83% to 85% of changes in US Treasury yields. You could probably push that up to about 95% if you could be bothered to do multivariate analysis, but rough numbers I reckon 83% is “good enough for government work”.

What that also says is that the economic sins of the past, stay with you until what the Austrians call the “mal-investments” get washed out of the system, regardless of how hard the politicians try and “start with a clean sheet” to paper-over the extend and pretend.

So that analysis says the “fundamental” (that’s what International Valuation Standards calls “Other-Than-Market-Value”), is a tad over 3% for the 10-Year right now (and that’s what it’s going to be for the next year at least even if nominal GDP grows 5% a year from here on in).

That’s pretty consistent with the “Square-Root-of “Top”-multiplied-by-“Bottom”  line of reasoning, which for me gives an added degree of confidence since those two ways of getting to the same answer are completely independent.

Notice also the “best-fit” is an “S” curve, which makes sense since even if nominal GDP is negative, people are going to always ask for some sort of return. Equally when inflation is raging (the main reason nominal GDP growth gets up to 16% or so), there is a limit on how much people will pay out in interest on a “safe bet”.

So “matey” – is the bet’s still on? How about going to ”Double or Quits?”

By Andrew Butter

Twenty years doing market analysis and valuations for investors in the Middle East, USA, and Europe; currently writing a book about BubbleOmics. Andrew Butter is managing partner of ABMC, an investment advisory firm, based in Dubai ( hbutter@eim.ae ), that he setup in 1999, and is has been involved advising on large scale real estate investments, mainly in Dubai.

© 2011 Copyright Andrew Butter- All Rights Reserved
Disclaimer: The above is a matter of opinion provided for general information purposes only and is not intended as investment advice. Information and analysis above are derived from sources and utilising methods believed to be reliable, but we cannot accept responsibility for any losses you may incur as a result of this analysis. Individuals should consult with their personal financial advisors.

Andrew Butter Archive

© 2005-2022 http://www.MarketOracle.co.uk - The Market Oracle is a FREE Daily Financial Markets Analysis & Forecasting online publication.


Comments

Rich
02 Jun 11, 13:13
a month late

Andrew,

Your call was about a month off (again) ... but it was the right call. Congrats!


Post Comment

Only logged in users are allowed to post comments. Register/ Log in