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Value of Gold? (vs. currency, oil and stocks)

Stock-Markets / Financial Markets 2011 Feb 06, 2011 - 08:06 AM GMT

By: Richard_Shaw


Best Financial Markets Analysis ArticleLet’s look at the possible value of gold from three angles:

  • real money — replacing all paper currency in the world
  • energy equivalent value — how much oil can gold buy?
  • stock market value — how many S&P 500 index shares can gold buy?

These are overly simplistic measures, but you have to start someplace.  Saying the value is what anybody is willing to pay doesn’t lend itself to any kind of informed estimate.  Surely in a shear panic the price could go to the moon for a short period, but in a calmer period, what is the exchange value of gold in a world that is still functioning?

Gold has no established method of approaching a fair value other than auction, but what might lurk in the minds of men when they select their auction bids.  What gold can buy is one reasonable approach.

Gold does not have earnings or interest payments that can be capitalized the way they can for stocks and bonds, for example.  In fact holding gold has negative earnings — no interest earnings; and transportation, storage and insurance costs if held in large quantities (“cost of carry”).

Gold Prices:

As of this writing, the price of gold (proxies GLD and IAU and SGOL) is $1354.

Real Money:

In a recent article we prepared for  SeekingAlpha ( How Much Is Gold Worth? – Seeking Alpha ), we did a “real money” estimate of the value of gold.  In that article we asked basically what would the price in dollars be for all of the above ground gold in the world, if all of the currency in the world were paid in exchange. After that, there would be no currency and all gold in whatever form would be “money”.

The amount of currency in the world was estimated based on the world GDP and the turnover of currency within the GDP.  That showed a long-term history in the US (presumed to be similar globally) of 10 to 25 times.  At that turnover rate, gold would have an exchange value of from $530 to $1325 per Troy ounce.

By this crude “real money” metric, gold is at the top of an historically justified range.

Gold for Oil:

The current ratio of the price of gold to the price of a barrel of West Texas Intermediate (Sweet) Crude Oil is 14.94.  The 20-year average based on month-end prices is 14.46. That might be considered about fairly valued.

The extremes over 20 years were approximately 28 times and 6 times.  That could, of course, be due to gold or oil rising or falling separately or each moving in an opposite direction.

Gold for Stocks:

The 20-year average ratio of the price of gold to the price of the S&P 500 index is 0.56.  The current ratio is 1.04.  By that indicator, gold is a bit expensive (or stocks are a bit cheap).  The extremes over 20 years are approximately 1.4 to 0.2.  The low was during the height of the “everybody gets rich” stage of the bubble.  The high was during the depths of fear caused by the 2008 financial crash.

Possible Conclusions:

Gold is either fairly valued to somewhat overvalued, or gold is fairly valued and stocks are cheap.

What About Oil to Stocks?

The current oil to stocks price ratio is 0.07.  The 20-year average is 0.04.  The extremes over 20 years are about 0.12 to 0.01 — again corresponding in time with the bubble an the 2008 crash.

Proxies for the S&P 500 are SPY, IVV and VFINX.

Possible Conclusions:

Maybe oil is overvalue too, but then again the data for gold to stocks and oil to stocks tends to push us in the direction of those who feel stocks are undervalued.  That runs counter to other thoughts we have about stocks, and does nothing to shield stocks from event risks such as the Egyptian revolt, or rolling events such as the European debt crisis, or prospective events such as the possible credit rating downgrade of the US for excessive debts, or the macro-economic reality of inflation emerging markets or rising interest rates in the US.

Nonetheless, these indicators lend some support to the Bulls, at leas for now.

Back to the topic of the article, we’d be inclined to think that gold is roughly fairly valued at the moment.

Securities Mentioned In This Article: GLD, IAU, SGOL, SPY, IVV and VFINX

Holdings Disclosure: We hold GLD and SPY in some but not all managed accounts as of the publication date of this article.

Disclaimer: This article is not personal investment advise to any specific person for any particular purpose.  This article is presented subject to the full disclaimer found on our site available here.

By Richard Shaw

Richard Shaw leads the QVM team as President of QVM Group. Richard has extensive investment industry experience including serving on the board of directors of two large investment management companies, including Aberdeen Asset Management (listed London Stock Exchange) and as a charter investor and director of Lending Tree ( download short professional profile ). He provides portfolio design and management services to individual and corporate clients. He also edits the QVM investment blog. His writings are generally republished by SeekingAlpha and Reuters and are linked to sites such as Kiplinger and Yahoo Finance and other sites. He is a 1970 graduate of Dartmouth College.

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Onc' Scrooge
06 Feb 11, 14:40
There is "Haircut" in the air!


but your calculation of the fair goldprice in the range of $500 to $1325 per ounce is based upon something like M0 only !?

Means only the amount of notes and coins in circulation.

What will you do with the 250 trillons of worldwide assets

in accounts, stocks, life assurances - 100% HAIRCUT ?

If you count these 250 trillons against all gold you get to something near by $50000 per ounce of gold.

A gold currency will come only when fiat is in trouble.

And therefore its sure that a lot of people would like to change their assets (account holdings, treasuries and all the other paper) into gold. This factor is not in your calculation!

I am not saying that $50000 is a fair price for an ounce of gold but your calculation only works without a 100% haircut of all assets - or at least a law which declares the assets as not convertable (= other form of Haircut)?

A gold currency cannot work for a long time only with M0.

All ancient gold-currencies where backed in gold also for deposits to the amount of something like M2 or M3 at least for a certain percentage lets say 20% to 40%.

It seems also that you never have heard about "treasuring"

means people like to stock in a gold currency system their economies in physical gold coins means a great amount wouldn't rest in circulation and must be replaced by new gold.



Onc' Scrooge
07 Feb 11, 02:14
Gold at $500 or $50000 ?


I thought about your calculation this morning again and I found out something else which won't work.

In your calculation all the 165000 tons of gold on earth must come in circulation in one moment to meet with the real money, stock and oil.

But they won't come in circulation!!

Gold is used as you know

52% in jewelry,

18% in Central bank Holding

16% for Investment

14% Industrial etc.

when we talk of a chaos barter system then

only a small part of jewelry and a small part of investement gold will come into immediate circulation.

We know for example that in the US 80% of all the private gold is held by 1% of the people. Why should this 1% give their gold holdings into the market all together at the same time - NO these people will use their gold reserves only for decent living and on occassion of a very favourable deal.

In a chaos barter system you have to count with a circlation of 5-10% of all existing precious metals the rest will be held in the background.

5-10 % of jewelry and investment gold means 8000-16000 tons of gold in circulation and then we calculate with your own formula a price $5000 to $26500 per ounce.

If central banks would create a new gold standard the result would be 23-28% (central bank holding , part of jewelry and investment gold) or 38000-46000 tons of gold in circulation means with your formula a gold price of $1786 to $5761 for an ounce of gold.

The arguments of my first comment are to be considered also.



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